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  • mermaid
    mermaid
    Posted on:
    21st Oct 2009 11:50pm

    Last Post 18th Jul 2012
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    Help protect australia (and new zealand)?

    I seem to recall critics labelling the campaign as irresponsible, fuelling prejudice and discrimination - damaging some of the values it claims to preserve or provide sufficient information on what people should be alerted for. Perhaps asking Australian their views would have supported any form of campaign regardless of gender or culture.

  • Takka
    Takka
    Posted on:
    23rd Nov 2010 05:39pm

    Takka says: Blaming people who come fromMuslim countries and makingvitims of them seems hardly an expression of the Aussie Fair Go
    Takka

  • mysteron347
    mysteron347
    Posted on:
    6th Dec 2010 06:43pm

    mysteron347 says: There is never going to be a debate on this matter because anyone who opposes immigration is instantly labelled a racist and a redneck and intolerant and shouted down.

    I have nearly 40 years of IT experience, but have been effectively unemployed for 9 years. When a particular rare skill that I have was suddenly put onto the MODL (Migration Occupation Demands List) I asked the Labour minister who was offering those jobs since there had been no advertising of these positions in Australia for two years at the time.

    The minister's response was to lecture me about how "these people fit in well with our society" with supporting statistics. There was no mention whatever of the companies who were in such desperate need of those skills that they had to import them.

    A few weeks ago, I went to my "Job Network" member who responded that they couldn't do anything for me and that I was the third person that week with similar qualifications but who can't find a job.

    Yet - look at Linkme. Page after page after page of "I'm in Bangla Desh/Bombay/Birmingham and I'm going to graduate in a few months time - looking for a job in Australia."

    The recruitment agencies prefer to import these skills because they can exploit their candidates' desperation to obtain Permanent Residence in Australia. Then they're dumped on the welfare system and the next batch of recruits is imported. The government permits and even encourages this exploitation. The employers wonder why their systems don't work when they employ people with no experience because they're cheap and because those people are the only ones the recruiters will send.

    I'm not against immigration - it's justified where we don't have skills. It's not justified when it's a money-making exercise on the part of the recruitment industry.

    And "refugees" who have made their way to Indonesia are in a SAFE country - free from persecution and threats to their lives. They have no justification to try to use moral blackmail to enter Australia. There is a defined process, and they should follow that process. If they decide that they should be exempt from the law, what will happen next time they consider they are being persecuted?

  • passum
    passum
    Posted on:
    18th Dec 2010 10:00pm

    mysteron347 says: There is never going to be a debate on this matter because anyone who opposes immigration is instantly labelled a racist and a redneck and intolerant and shouted down.

    I have nearly 40...

    passum says: Hay man you speek a da english, dont you just except the old aussie tradition let the other bloke work to keep u , then they will soon find a suitable job at centre link for u to place ther external workers in jobs,and about religious persicution who killed christ.Rember its Christmas time a time of good will.Look around our country is not as safe as it looks on the surface .I was bumped into several times by a group of these people while on holidays in QLD hidden behind their garb but as a good aussie does I Ignored it.

  • mysteron347
    mysteron347
    Posted on:
    19th Dec 2010 03:21am

    passum says: Hay man you speek a da english, dont you just except the old aussie tradition let the other bloke work to keep u , then they will soon find a suitable job at centre link for u to place ther...

    mysteron347 says: Let the other bloke work to keep me?

    Whatever gives you the impression that after paying taxes for 30 years, I'm eligible for any income-support? I made the mistake of investing in the country rather than supporting the local brewery or dope-pedlar. Since I have assets, I get no dole, and since I get no dole, I also get no support from the "Job Network" - and jobs are only advertised effectively through these agencies.

    So - sure, I can sell a property. Throw someone out of a home and still won't get any support to find a job, since I'll still have the asset (cash.) And if I spend the cash, all that does is mean the government will be supporting me in a few years time rather than now. Some other government's problem.

  • passum
    passum
    Posted on:
    19th Dec 2010 11:26am

    mysteron347 says: Let the other bloke work to keep me?

    Whatever gives you the impression that after paying taxes for 30 years, I'm eligible for any income-support? I made the mistake of investing in the...

    passum says: Sorry to giving u the wrong impression i am and have been on a pension for many years i used to work in budget and cost control in my younger days dont let any one tell you must sell your assets to live off i am 62 there are a lot of others on the dole, so ,and should be at work of some kind, but some of them either could not hold down a job or dont want to work at all .If you are financialy stretched sometimes it may take this little jolt to have a look at living life a little before you are like me and its too late to enjoy it.Forget about others and look after NUMBER ONE which is you.

  • mysteron347
    mysteron347
    Posted on:
    22nd Dec 2010 11:43am

    passum says: Sorry to giving u the wrong impression i am and have been on a pension for many years i used to work in budget and cost control in my younger days dont let any one tell you must sell your assets to...

    mysteron347 says: How do you suggest that I pay the bills the government sends me if I can't sell my assets? If I don't they'll just get their pet 'judges' to order the sale, with an added charge for getting the legal scam involved.

  • Eugine
    Eugine
    Posted on:
    5th May 2011 08:56pm

    mysteron347 says: There is never going to be a debate on this matter because anyone who opposes immigration is instantly labelled a racist and a redneck and intolerant and shouted down.

    I have nearly 40...

    Eugine says: I agree with everything you say. One of our family members gradusted with a degree and masters in business and accouinting and couldn't find employment here until he had worked in England for six months.This was also a job listed for migrants. We do not need to be overpopulated like countries who do not restrict the size of their families.Most of the so called refugees have enough money to get to Indonesia and I am sure would travel more safely to Australia but know the best way to get accepted is to come on overcrowded boats.IF they destroy buildings etc they should be instantly flown back to their country of origin. we do not want this type of person in Australia.

  • passum
    passum
    Posted on:
    22nd Dec 2010 01:30pm

    passum says: You just may heve to re-assess the costs involved of being a landlord and adjust your rents to suit.I lost a lot in the share market collapase and also my super fund still has not recovered what it went down by.See if You can get extra time to help you out of your present predicment other wise you may as well convert one asset before you loose the lott. { passum }

  • mysteron347
    mysteron347
    Posted on:
    5th May 2011 11:32pm

    passum says: You just may heve to re-assess the costs involved of being a landlord and adjust your rents to suit.I lost a lot in the share market collapase and also my super fund still has not recovered what it...

    mysteron347 says: Well, I have been able to re-arrange my situation - it's simply a matter of re-defining and going through the hoops set up by the government. In consequence, I'm now a "self-funded retiree" which means I'm accessing my superannuation savings to derive some money to live on, but I'm not eligible for 'pensioner rates' so I still have to pay full whack whilst living on a fixed income.

    I've been able to withdraw the property I had from sale, so I can sell it at a time to suit me, when the current glut on the market subsides.

    What I should be doing is using my talents and education to derive an income to bolster my superannuation savings, and pay tax, and be useful to the community by providing services to (and demand on) companies or government. I'm being prevented from doing so by the government which allows 'recruitment agents' to import the skills that I could provide without even as much as advertising locally.

    I'm 57 and have had my talents wasted for the past 10 years, and it appears they will continue to be squandered for the next ten until I become a real, official, OAP. I can survive because I've learned to do without and I started from a secure base. Others I know in the same business have been forced to leave IT and become 'security guards' or run instant printing shops and the like.

    I can only speak about IT - I'm sure that there are other industries similarly affected.

    And once when I attended an interview for a government scheme to get over-45s working, it was suggested that I become a security guard. Fine use of my 4-year IT degree and my 4-yr (P/T) certificate in Electronics. All I had to do was to study for a mere two years to become a doddering old rent-a-cop.

    Why can't I work in the industry for which I was trained and have the experience? Why do we need to import people to be trained in what I already know and then train me for something in which I have neither talent nor interest? Wouldn't it make more sense to train the imports as rent-a-cops, if we really need them?

    The fundamental point is that migrants in the past were brought in by the government because we had a lack of talent in some areas. We should not be in the situation that we are importing skills that we actually have in excess, simply because the recruiters make more money that way. The recruiters and the education lobby are creating the illusion of shortages and the politicians are hyping their subterfuge.

    We should import skills we truly need - and it doesn't matter where we do that recruitment. We should not import skills we already have in excess. A Royal Commission should be established to enquire about the entire recruitment industry.



  • errolsyd
    errolsyd
    Posted on:
    10th Jun 2011 09:17pm

    errolsyd says: This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules.

  • BlueBoy
    BlueBoy
    Posted on:
    18th Jul 2012 06:56pm

    errolsyd says: This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules.

    BlueBoy says: Errol,

    I believe that you speak on behalf of most thinking Australians, but if you dare speak up against the machine, you will just get shouted down. One day, we will have a Federal government who have the guts to turn around the sickness that has been spread to the hearts and minds of the populace. Have a squiz at what Can Do is doing here in Queensland. One day in the not too distant future, we will have a similar mandate in Canberra. Personally, I can't wait.


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