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  • Kudzie
    Kudzie
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    14th Sep 2011 08:45pm

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    Who does know Jesus and how many people does goes to church. Do you believe in Jesus and why?

  • oldlund
    oldlund
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    23rd Sep 2011 06:12am

    oldlund says: The way you have formulated the question I can only answer, no I don't know Jesus and no I don't go to church. I do not believe in Jesus because there are no scientific evidence that Jesus existed.

  • Kudzie
    Kudzie
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    23rd Sep 2011 11:42am

    oldlund says: The way you have formulated the question I can only answer, no I don't know Jesus and no I don't go to church. I do not believe in Jesus because there are no scientific evidence that Jesus existed.

    Kudzie says: You just amaze me with your answer lol, how can u wait for scientist to tell you what exist or what does not. If you read the bible l things will be well and you will know the truth lol.

    Thanks

  • oldlund
    oldlund
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    22nd Nov 2011 05:52am

    Kudzie says: You just amaze me with your answer lol, how can u wait for scientist to tell you what exist or what does not. If you read the bible l things will be well and you will know the truth...

    oldlund says: I have read the bible and was horrified about how you are supposed to treat people if they don't believe as the book say you should. Geezzz.

  • sherri
    sherri
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    30th Nov 2011 12:09pm

    oldlund says: I have read the bible and was horrified about how you are supposed to treat people if they don't believe as the book say you should. Geezzz.

    sherri says: Really?

    You are horrified because we are instructed to treat strangers with respect, and to be hospitable to the 'foreigner' in our midst (who by definition is likely to think differently to the way that we do)? And to love justice and mercy, etc

    I know that there are bits and pieces that can sound pretty horrible if taken in isolation and totally out of context, but a few comments - even when taken out of context and misquoted cant be taken to be the theme of the whole book (or more correctly compilation of books)

    So I am wondering what it is that you have read.

  • Madnan
    Madnan
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    21st Nov 2011 08:53pm

    oldlund says: The way you have formulated the question I can only answer, no I don't know Jesus and no I don't go to church. I do not believe in Jesus because there are no scientific evidence that Jesus existed.

    Madnan says: There is no quarrel that Jesus did exist. It is an historical fact. Do I know Jesus as a personal friend. Yes. Do I go to church. Yes, but its not really about only going to church. Many people believe in Jesus and don't go to church.
    By the way, it doesn't need scientific evidence. There is loads of historical evidence.
    The fact that many people chose to die rather than deny Him, and so soon after his own death, proves to me Jesus lived and has been affecting the lives of millions of people for the past 2000+ years. People do not chose to die for a lie!

  • oldlund
    oldlund
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    22nd Nov 2011 05:50am

    Madnan says: There is no quarrel that Jesus did exist. It is an historical fact. Do I know Jesus as a personal friend. Yes. Do I go to church. Yes, but its not really about only going to church. Many people...

    oldlund says: Where are the historical facts you mention and don't say the bible that's just a book written some hundred years after the supposed time.

  • Madnan
    Madnan
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    22nd Nov 2011 01:47pm

    oldlund says: Where are the historical facts you mention and don't say the bible that's just a book written some hundred years after the supposed time.

    Madnan says: Various non-christian writers from antiquity mention Jesus, leaving contemporary historians in no doubt that this teacher and healer really did live and die in first century Palestine. Try reading the ancient histories of Josephus, who I think was a jewish historian at the time Herod was ruling in Palestine. During the year of Jesus birth. Try Tacitus a Roman writing about the death of Jesus and how much trouble he thought the followers would be.

  • sherri
    sherri
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    30th Nov 2011 12:46pm

    oldlund says: The way you have formulated the question I can only answer, no I don't know Jesus and no I don't go to church. I do not believe in Jesus because there are no scientific evidence that Jesus existed.

    sherri says: By scientific evidence do you mean archaological evidence? (because that is the only relevant science that I can think of)

    And actually there is a great deal of independant evidence if you don't want to count what was written in the Bible, or what has been written by Christians that there was this guy called Jesus. ( - son of Joseph; of Nazareth, also known as the Christ)

    The most famous of the old records is by a guy called Josephus, who wrote a sort of social commentary that included independant reports of the crucifixion of Jesus. He was not, and never became a Christian

    There is also a lot of credible evidence outside of the Bible put forward by people who are Christians too.

    If you are interested in ethically sound and unbiased historical information you could do worse than read books by John Dickson - an Australian with a world class reputation.

    Yes, I am a Christian, and I do know Jesus, but people who AREN'T Christians and would not think that anything that is written in the Bible is worth the paper it is written on still consider the above information as credible.

    So, sorry, have to disagree with you...there is actually a LOT of evidence from all sorts of sources that the particular Jesus known as Jesus the Christ did exist.

  • Leelita
    Leelita
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    23rd Sep 2011 12:55pm

    Leelita says: I know Jesus, i go to Church sometimes. I believe having jesus in my life makes me less "self Absorbed" i respect others more because of "love" without my belief i think i would just be "Well what the hell, there is nothing, so it must be all about me and MY satisfaction and what I own and what I want" Sounds like how a lot of people are these days, hey!

  • Raksha
    Raksha
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    24th Sep 2011 09:34pm

    Raksha says: I know the story of Jesus from the bible. I don't worship Jesus, I worship God. If you read the bible you will find that Jesus said not to worship him, but to do as he did. After reading the bible I believe that he was showing us how we should be living. Showing us that we will have everlasting life as he did, if we live as he did.
    Just my opinion and everyone is entitled to theirs.

  • oldlund
    oldlund
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    22nd Nov 2011 06:11am

    oldlund says: What says that God and Jesus are the right one? What about Allah and Mohammed or what about Zeus, Thor, Odin, or Godesses like Isis, Hera, Sif, Idun and there are more all of them described in books are they also historical facts.
    I am an agnostic atheist, as it is called and even so I love you all as long as you don't push your "truth" on to other people.
    Have a nice time.


  • sherri
    sherri
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    30th Nov 2011 01:38pm

    oldlund says: What says that God and Jesus are the right one? What about Allah and Mohammed or what about Zeus, Thor, Odin, or Godesses like Isis, Hera, Sif, Idun and there are more all of them described in...

    sherri says: Hi Olund, - I could answer your first question here (What says that God and Jesus are the right one?) - but I have written extensively on other things that you have posted here, and I don't want you to think that I am trying to push 'my' truth onto you. That is not my motivation at all. I don't need to.

    Any argument along those lines (the pushing of my opinion) is a bit like me arguing that a friend of yours (whom I have not met) does not exist simply because I have not met him yet. I prefer to respect your right to your own journey.

    But I am interested in clarity - which is why I picked up on some of the things that you have said.

    (and in the interest of clarity I can't resist pointing out that when we talk about a historical Jesus or Mohammed, we are talking about evidence for actual people by those names who breathed 'middle eastern air', when we talk about Zeus or Hera, we are looking at a historical record that people beleived in these gods - and we are also talking about totally different cultures and time periods too.It gets more confusing still when you bundle all that up and time-warp into the future and also talk about this as CURRENT modalities of faith....hence my interest in clarity. I want to understand what people are meaning and to be understood myself.)

    Can you help me too? I would like to understand what you mean by 'agnostic athiest'? My present understanding (based upon current study and dictionary definitions) is that an agnostic is someone who is not sure re gods or God and so gives equal weighting to all modalities of faith, discounting nothing - whereas for an atheist the issue is settled - he/she is sure that there is no God.

    thanks olund

  • vhengence.payne
    vhengence.payne
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    31st Jul 2013 06:22am

    oldlund says: What says that God and Jesus are the right one? What about Allah and Mohammed or what about Zeus, Thor, Odin, or Godesses like Isis, Hera, Sif, Idun and there are more all of them described in...

    vhengence.payne says: to give my opinion on your question i can understand your point of view an i find myself in simmerler disscussions myself i belive that religion has its place and any belife structur a purpose yes there is hitorical fact to state jesus the man did infact live but what i belive has twisted the preception of him was not about who he was and what he taught but rather select groups of his followers misinturpriting or twisting what he stood for to either further personal gain or in some missguided attemp to gain favour with "god" i belive the whole son of god thing to be someting that can not be proven one way or the other but what he stood for and taught is someting that u can find simmelarities to in most religions it was not his belifef that sent followeers out to slaughter non belivers when he taught acceptance regardless of social stature or belife but rathe extreamests that wanted control and used his name to do so as such this has happend in other religions also wher a select group of "followers" use religion for an excuse to do wrong jesus was born in a time when many cultures belived in beings that were more than human gods if you will had gaundi or mother tressea or any others like them were born in the same time period it stands to reason that they to may have been thought to be of simmeler statis as jesus or minor gods of other religions are held jesus as a man yes i belive he exsisted but as the being set above humans as so many belive no he like so many befor and after him was just that a human with strong beliefs and the coruge to stand for what he belived in and because he did he was able to affecet how ppl thought centeries later and what most dont notice is that the core teachings and morals of most religions are the same and yet so much war and hate discrimination and pain is caused by ppl getting caught up in the detail rather the msg behind it all

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    24th Apr 2012 09:06am

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  • franny
    franny
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    1st May 2012 09:10pm

    franny says: I guess it is each to thier own. I grew up catholic and adored my priest. He was a great teacher and friend. I also love budhism and all that is beautiful. I also believe in the scientific approach ,but choose to have my faith and beliefs of excepting all that they believe as it makes us all special. I do believe in Jesus and i do go to church at times. But i also mediatate at home. Peace and choice to all eh?

  • Pelly
    Pelly
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    17th May 2012 10:40pm

    Pelly says: Obviously a nice guy..and particularly for those who need a nice guy....


  • yan
    yan
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    20th Aug 2012 12:45am

    yan says: It doesn't matter if you are a christian or not, and is doesn't required to be a christian in order to be His followers. christian term was only started in antioch during 2nd century but it was not Has Jesus called to his disciples. The Supreme God must send Jesus here on earth in order for us to know His real character. Jesus Christ is the perfect representation of a loving and gracious God. He did not brought or introduced any religion, He only introduced a kind of Government. The government of Heaven which is His Kingdom and it was His main message, a perfect government that can solve all problems of our society.

  • JBLAZE
    JBLAZE
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    7th Nov 2012 02:31pm

    JBLAZE says: I do believe in Jesus is because the bible teaches us he is the son of God.He came down to earth to die for our sins(past,present &furture)so that we may enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

  • Gaye
    Gaye
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    7th Nov 2012 07:22pm

    Gaye says: For 25 years I did not believe in god even though I went to church when younger ,then I got angry and decided I did not believe becos of all the bad that happened to me and the world I thought if he was real there would not be so much hurt in the world .then I realized you can,t be angry at something you didn't believe in ,so I let go of my anger and went back to church ,some things still hurt but I ask questions now and find sometimes it's how things are interpreted ,god bless and have a lovely day

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