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  • anna
    anna
    Posted on:
    17th Mar 2011 11:51am

    Last Post 18th Sep 2013
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    National service made compulsary?

    What are the thoughts on National Service & a year in the Services just out of school? I think it is a great idea, make kids grow up & be responsible. Both male & female.

  • Mic
    Mic
    Posted on:
    18th Apr 2011 08:31pm

    Mic says: I have no objection to TWO years of disciplined National Service but I would reserve the right to refuse to participate in military activities, and also reserve the right to prevent certain psychological profiles from getting anywhere near weapons training.

    If my own nephew joined a military outfit, he wouldn't get out of basic drill-training for FIVE years.

  • anna
    anna
    Posted on:
    19th Apr 2011 09:18pm

    Mic says: I have no objection to TWO years of disciplined National Service but I would reserve the right to refuse to participate in military activities, and also reserve the right to prevent certain...

    anna says: I agree totally with you. Front line is not what I mean, give the young adults a chance to grow up to be respectful adults! My son was in the Army for 6 years & it was the best thing he ever did.

  • Mic
    Mic
    Posted on:
    20th Apr 2011 09:52am

    anna says: I agree totally with you. Front line is not what I mean, give the young adults a chance to grow up to be respectful adults! My son was in the Army for 6 years & it was the best thing he ever did.

    Mic says: I think that's my point: said "nephew" would still be doing Parade Drills after six years.

  • Thelly
    Thelly
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    20th Apr 2011 08:59pm

    anna says: I agree totally with you. Front line is not what I mean, give the young adults a chance to grow up to be respectful adults! My son was in the Army for 6 years & it was the best thing he ever did.

    Thelly says: I agree with National Service for a couple of reasons, this country has a very small armed force compared to many other countries. We need to pick it up a bit. I was once told, by a ranking soldier, that if we were attacked from the north, it would be over in a matter of two or three days because over such a vast area, we just don't have the coverage we should have. Also, there are so many people, young and not so young, out there being paid to sit around and do nothing on the dole. Just check the beaches to see how many unemployed are out there enjoying the waves instead of looking for work. There are so many ratbags out there that could do with a bit of dissapline. A few manners and a bit of respect. There is a job to do so let the National Service men and women do it. I was an Army daughter, Army wife and an army mother in days past. I took great pride in waring my fathers medals on Anzac Day and when my husband receved his medals after Viet-Nam. Thank God my son has never had to fight but if the world doesn't learn to live in piece, he and his son just might have to.

  • Calamity
    Calamity
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    18th Apr 2011 09:34pm

    Calamity says: I am from a military background as both of my parents were in the army and I followed in their footsteps. I had a fabulous time, made lots of friends and traveled. It helped me to be responsible and make good life choices. I worked with National Service men and some liked it and some didn't but most that went in as boys came out as men. I think National Service is a good idea for both sexes.

  • anna
    anna
    Posted on:
    19th Apr 2011 08:48pm

    Calamity says: I am from a military background as both of my parents were in the army and I followed in their footsteps. I had a fabulous time, made lots of friends and traveled. It helped me to be responsible...

    anna says: I am proud of you & your family, having always had total respect for the Forces, it makes me proud to think if we could give young adults this chance in life to have a go & backbone to be a decent Australian. Thank you to all you do & have done for us! I have met & dealt with a lot of fine Servicemen & Women, I wish I had chosen the Forces as opposed to marriage in earlier days. My family were from different areas in the military & come on Anzac Day, a very proud day!

  • Calamity
    Calamity
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    19th Apr 2011 09:45pm

    anna says: I am proud of you & your family, having always had total respect for the Forces, it makes me proud to think if we could give young adults this chance in life to have a go & backbone to be a decent...

    Calamity says: Thank you for your favourable comments. I really enjoyed my years in the army and feel that if young people could take discipline and responsibility it is an ideal career opportunity. You travel, learn all types of skills which stay with you for a lifetime, meet lots of people, see lots of places and save money. However, with all the talk in the media of initiation practices in the forces it does put young people off. My father was an officer and when my brother was born on ANZAC day he was a very proud man. My brother used to tease his sisters that he was the only one in the family who gets a holiday on his birthday. Not everybody passes the selection criteria to join the Forces and one friend cut her beautiful long hair and missed out. It sounds like you felt you should have tried out for the Forces before contemplating marriage. Looking back with regrets does not help but if you feel you are missing something try volunteering as it is a most rewarding experience.



  • anna
    anna
    Posted on:
    20th Apr 2011 11:21pm

    Calamity says: Thank you for your favourable comments. I really enjoyed my years in the army and feel that if young people could take discipline and responsibility it is an ideal career opportunity. You travel,...

    anna says: In my time it was get married & have kids, which in essence is great, but since then the young ones have a choice. Yes, I am volunteering with the R.S.L. I am very lucky that I can help in some small way, it is very rewarding listening to the different experiences of ex Service Personnel. I have more understanding now & am still learning. Anzac Day is a great day to see all mingle.

  • Calamity
    Calamity
    Posted on:
    21st Apr 2011 02:18pm

    anna says: In my time it was get married & have kids, which in essence is great, but since then the young ones have a choice. Yes, I am volunteering with the R.S.L. I am very lucky that I can help in some...

    Calamity says: You must be a lot older than me then, as we had a choice what we wanted to do with our lives. I traveled and had many types of jobs and met lots of people so now my friends are scattered all over. I married in my late twenties after satisfying my ambitions. My husband was born on Armistice Day and my brother on ANZAC Day so there is still military reminders there. Don't know if I will be able to go to the ANZAC Day this yer as I cannot sit or stand for long as I have a sore knee and a knee replacement is on the horizon.

  • shorty
    shorty
    Posted on:
    18th Apr 2011 09:36pm

    shorty says: Prefer to train the Afghan refugees then transport them back to their own country to fight for their freedom as our soldiers have done through two world wars to secure our freedom.

  • anna
    anna
    Posted on:
    18th Apr 2011 09:59pm

    shorty says: Prefer to train the Afghan refugees then transport them back to their own country to fight for their freedom as our soldiers have done through two world wars to secure our freedom.

    anna says: Too true, make them stand on their own feet for a change & sort their own country out!
    With our own, I feel there is the need for respect for young & senior, grow up & care, take away the cock headed attitudes a lot have today. When we were growing up we were more responsible. Get back to basics with our young.

  • youi
    youi
    Posted on:
    18th Apr 2011 09:48pm

    youi says: I agree with you.I did National Service in 1952 and it certainly did me a lot of good.I don't agree that they should serve in front line operations as some had to in the past.

  • MICHAEL
    MICHAEL
    Posted on:
    19th Apr 2011 08:33am

    MICHAEL says: It was compulsory but I did my time back in 1970-71. It didn't do me any harm, in fact I think it done me a tone of good for future life All 18 year olds should have to spend 12 months in one of the services - they will end up much better people.
    Michael - Newcastle

  • Jinglez
    Jinglez
    Posted on:
    19th Apr 2011 09:51am

    Jinglez says: The worst thing they ever did in New Zealand was to get rid of Military Conscription.
    A year of military based service for school leavers who weren't going on to university would be the making of our youth today. Learning morals, respect, manners, obedience and consequences, loyalty, brotherhood and the startings of a trade or interest along the way. Something that most of our forgotten youth are very much lacking these days.
    Believe we would see a marked drop in crime and assaults in general if we went back to this basic grounding.

  • MandM
    MandM
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    19th Apr 2011 06:27pm

    MandM says: It is an interesting concept, but it does not reflect australian values. I.e. freedom of choice. Australia is all about treating people with respect and achieving what you want in life without hurting anyone in the process. Making it compulsory would teach teenagers discipline, and how to follow orders, but it may also encourage them not to think for themselves, or expose them to things that no young person should be exposed to. The training in relation to fitness and medicine etc would be wonderful life education that would benefit society.
    It's got it's pros and it's cons definitely.

  • anna
    anna
    Posted on:
    19th Apr 2011 08:41pm

    MandM says: It is an interesting concept, but it does not reflect australian values. I.e. freedom of choice. Australia is all about treating people with respect and achieving what you want in life without...

    anna says: It is simply a way to instill discipline & respect, but will open up horizons for different career prospects for the future. This is not meant to be harsh just give some a chance in life.

  • Pete
    Pete
    Posted on:
    19th Apr 2011 08:08pm

    Pete says: Can you imagine the great number of people who would object on religious grounds thereby making the whole idea quite futile.

  • anna
    anna
    Posted on:
    19th Apr 2011 08:33pm

    Pete says: Can you imagine the great number of people who would object on religious grounds thereby making the whole idea quite futile.

    anna says: The idea is not religious based, do we have to put religion into this conversation?
    I am not out to kill, maim, or out right murder! I am a country born & bred lady who has seen kids go wrong in life. I feel it would be great to give kids direction & learn how to live & respect while making their minds up about future employment. Front line does not come into the equation, unless they want to take up professionally.

  • Pete
    Pete
    Posted on:
    19th Apr 2011 08:51pm

    anna says: The idea is not religious based, do we have to put religion into this conversation?
    I am not out to kill, maim, or out right murder! I am a country born & bred lady who has seen kids go wrong...

    Pete says: But Anna, National Service doesn't discriminate. The names are drawn from a tumbler. If your name comes up, you HAVE to do it. That's how it was in the 60's & early 70's. I'm in my 50's: I saw it all happen although not called up. And there are a lot of religiously devout followers, much more as compared to back then and they will object. So that's why it'd be futile.

  • anna
    anna
    Posted on:
    19th Apr 2011 09:09pm

    Pete says: But Anna, National Service doesn't discriminate. The names are drawn from a tumbler. If your name comes up, you HAVE to do it. That's how it was in the 60's & early 70's. I'm in my 50's: I saw it...

    anna says: I am not meaning CONSCRIPTION! One year in the Services learning how to be a human being for quite a few, my son included, does not mean being conscripted, it just gives the young adults a chance to see what's ahead in life, job wise, etc. If they opt to join the Services then certainly what is ahead is up to them. I am not saying go straight to the front line, discipline is the keyword.

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