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Where has christmas gone

The Child Centre where my daughter-in-law works will not be celebrating Christmas with the children as there are families who attend who dont believe in it. Last time I checked this was Australia and I grew up going to school and making Christmas gifts and easter bonnets as a way of life.
To me this is a tradition of the Australian way of life which we now have to change for a minority. It's not like we would go to their country of origin and demand that they celebrate our way of life.

Last reply: 8th Dec 2011 / 43 replies / Post by Mustang17

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19chris51

Posted by: 19chris51
Posted: 27th Nov 2010

19chris51 says: you are darn right mustang17, our Australian culture is being lost, why??? I wish I could tell you, you are right about the small minority, if we go to their country it is respectful for us to observe their customs, could you imagine what would happen if we did not, the Italians,greeks and chinese etc, come here and although they have their own culture, don`t interfere or try to change ours to suit themselves, why are these people getting away with this?????? my grandchildrens school won`t celebrate christmas because of this damn wrong, we are Australians, and if they come here, they should fit in, not try to change us it makes me vey angry,STAND UP FOR YOUR SELVES AUSTRALIANS I am not saying fight that is not a thing to do, but PLEASE..PLEASE...don~t loose our culture and traditions Reply

blondie72

Posted by: blondie72
Posted: 28th Nov 2010

blondie72 says: This bloody UN-AUSTRALIAN and infuriating!! I realise it very hard to secure a spot in a childcare centre these days but if you could I would BOYCOTT any childcare centre, school, shopping centre any place that shuns our Aussie culture and in doing so disrespects us and our future generations! I can see it now - we''ll all be wearing bloody burqas and praising Allah soon if we keep this up!!! Reply

super88

Posted by: super88
Posted: 9th Dec 2010

super88 says: It's hard to beleive this could happen.
Youre right - last time I looked this was still Australia.
Maybe the Child Centre where your daughter-in-law works is just too lazy to put in the effort and is using this as an excuse to do nothing.
It doesn't sound like the sort of place that an Australian would recommend or support. Reply

Mustang17

Posted by: Mustang17
Posted: 11th Dec 2010

Mustang17 says: The changes in Childcare centres and what they can say and do is happening a lot. The childcare centre that my grandaughter attends sings Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep. Not Black sheep. But they still have Christmas Decorations and a visit from Santa.
But I feel that our Australian heritage and way of life is slowly being eradicated to cater for those few who choose to make Australia their home. I don't mind other cultures having their festivals and special days but they also have to respect that our country also has traditions too. Reply

Ekkaboy

Posted by: Ekkaboy
Posted: 17th Dec 2010

Mustang17 says: The changes in Childcare centres and what they can say and do is happening a lot. The childcare centre that my grandaughter attends sings Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep. Not Black sheep. But they still have...

Ekkaboy says: Hadn't heard Rainbow Sheep !! - but now they "catch a TIGGER by the toe", that's fair enough. My kids' school still does Chrissy cards, but there are certain kids who receive "happy holidays" cards instead. It's just a primary school, but the kids are learning of cultural diversity and assimilation - NOT that a vocal minority are different so everything has to stop for them. Assimilation is the key, not setting up their own little countries within our own great country (and it's established traditions). Reply

jb

Posted by: jb
Posted: 18th Dec 2010

Ekkaboy says: Hadn't heard Rainbow Sheep !! - but now they "catch a TIGGER by the toe", that's fair enough. My kids' school still does Chrissy cards, but there are certain kids who receive "happy holidays" cards...

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Libby

Posted by: Libby
Posted: 17th Dec 2010

Libby says: Christmas may be the traditional norm but it is a Christian holiday and that part of Christmas is not being taught to kids anymore... all they know is Santa and scoring heaps of pressies. So I can understand why parents are not wanting to push that part of Christmas on their kids if they can't be taught the real meaning behind Christmas.
It surprises me that for countries that claim to be multi-cultural both Australia and New Zealand make no effort to teach our children about any other religious customs that may occur at the same time so that they can be tolerant and inclusive towards other religions in the future instead of ignorant. (I guess that is how an Israli praying can be mistaken for a terroist on a NZ Cook Strait ferry crossing!!)
While I understand your frustration imagine how hard it must be for those families that don't celebrate Christmas to have to explain it to there 2 or 3 year old when it gets screamed at them from every direction from about October.... and why all their friends are getting cool presents etc Reply

Ekkaboy

Posted by: Ekkaboy
Posted: 17th Dec 2010

Libby says: Christmas may be the traditional norm but it is a Christian holiday and that part of Christmas is not being taught to kids anymore... all they know is Santa and scoring heaps of pressies. So I can...

Ekkaboy says: Like I said Libby, assimilation. Why can't those kids get "breakup" pressies from their friends and "happy school holidays" cards??

But I do agree that kids need more instruction on different religions to the majority Australian one, to advance cultural diversity; this includes of course more on aboriginal heritage, which although some small stuff is being done on dreamtime etc I'm concerned that all aboriginal languages are dying out while various Asian languages (mostly japanese and chinese) are taught in primary schools??? Reply

MTD

Posted by: MTD
Posted: 17th Dec 2010

MTD says: I think the "political/ethnic/religion correctness" has gone to far.
All Christians and christian countries should be able to celebrate Christmas. As far as I am concerned, Australia is basically a Christian country (just look at all the many, many "Father Cristmas'es" ( some renamed Santa), at the shopping centres). We do not ask any other country/organization/religion to stop their celebrations because we do not follow their believes. If a Child care Centre in my area choose not to hold Christmas celebrations because some people object or get upset, I would campaign to close it down because they don't object to the benefits it gives them, such as triple time or holidays or public holidays or presents/bonuses . If you took that away, the noises made by them would drown out their own protests. Reply

Multismudge

Posted by: Multismudge
Posted: 17th Dec 2010

Multismudge says: "When in Rome do as the Romans do", is that not the expression?
I am cross about other "cultures" hijacking Christmas.
Australia was founded on a Christian society and beliefs an when others decide to come here, they know that, SO... stands to reason that the consensus of the land stands for its ideals and cultures.
If people do not want to participate in OUR CULTURE then they can stay inside, out of school, away from kinder and childcare.
It is actually up to the Principal, Co-ordinator, etc. they can stand firm about their beliefs and majority in that particular school, kinder, etc might be the best way to go.
Vilification of rights, we are Australian living in Australia!
I am not racist but as an Australian I have to start saying other cultures are!
LIVE and let live, goes both ways. Reply

jb

Posted by: jb
Posted: 18th Dec 2010

Multismudge says: "When in Rome do as the Romans do", is that not the expression?
I am cross about other "cultures" hijacking Christmas.
Australia was founded on a Christian society and beliefs an when...

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elizabethau

Posted by: elizabethau
Posted: 18th Dec 2010

Multismudge says: "When in Rome do as the Romans do", is that not the expression?
I am cross about other "cultures" hijacking Christmas.
Australia was founded on a Christian society and beliefs an when...

elizabethau says: I agree we live in a democratic country and accept all nationalities that want to live here and enjoy the freedom they are given but I feel now that they are going too far we have take away hal hal, butchers hal hal and in every shopping centre things have had to change as it may offend we have little people singing we wish you a happy holiday as they are not allowed to sing merry christmas what on earth are we sitting back and accepting this push for power,my way is stay and join in and accept the offers of this country if it is offensive dont live here Reply

liz

Posted by: liz
Posted: 20th Dec 2010

Multismudge says: "When in Rome do as the Romans do", is that not the expression?
I am cross about other "cultures" hijacking Christmas.
Australia was founded on a Christian society and beliefs an when...

liz says: Yes I'm very cross too. This country was founded on Judeo-Christian ethics which is what makes it so wonderful and why everyone wants to come here. Sadly the real meaning of Christmas has been swallowed up by the commercialism, and the birth of Jesus Christ is a byline mostly these days. What do people think Christmas really means??? Why does it have the name 'Christ' in it??? It makes me sick and angry that Muslims especially can hijack our culture and we lie down and let them walk all over us. Wake up Australia!!! (and New Zealand) and have a look at what Islam has done to the UK and many other once safe and happy Christian countries. Tolerance is once thing, but capitulation is quite another. Lets all campaign for the return of proper Christmas celebrations, with carols sung, nativity plays, little kids dressed as angels and shepherds, and a visit to Santa as a tradition, even though we know its not the true meaning of Christmas. God bless us one and all. Reply

Multismudge

Posted by: Multismudge
Posted: 17th Dec 2010

Multismudge says: add-on to my previous post
These people who do their "protest" still argue about working on "our Christian public holidays" , if they are holding Christians to ransom on this issue then they are the ones that should be working those days.
No, they get paid just like every-one else.
The people who have other faiths, to my knowledge are taught to be tolerant of others, just like us, but they are not! Reply

Cattledog

Posted by: Cattledog
Posted: 17th Dec 2010

Cattledog says: I have lived and worked in Afghanistan for the past 20 months. My staff understand we celebrate Xmas...many have given me gifts for my family as I head home. I acknowledge their Eid, they acknowledge our Xmas. We all acknowledge the one God, how we get to that endstate differs.

I think it's wrong that the 'meaning' of Xmas isn't celebrated in ANY institution in Australia, regardless of who attends. There's plenty of christian children who will miss out on presents this Xmas so this aspect isn't important. You may find that it's those wanting to be 'politically correct' without the faintest idea of the thoughts of the non-christian attendees. I work in Australia with Muslims when I'm back home and there is no way they see Xmas as a problem whatsoever.

Keep doing what we have always done and there will be little if any problem. Like sport, not everyone will support the team but at least let those who do enjoy it! Reply

JCER

Posted by: JCER
Posted: 18th Dec 2010

JCER says: Poltical and ciultural correctness has gone mad and is ruining this great country just like it has in England where I was born. I came here from a very early age and consider myself English born, Australian made. Anyone who chooses to come to another country MUST respect the culture, customs, language and laws of that land. Be very grateful that you have the freedom to practice your religion and culture here (probably one of many reasons why you left your country of origin) BUT how dare you try to dictate what we can and cannot do in our own damn country. This is where multiculturalism (as opposed to cosmopolitanism) has ruined this country and others. If you aren't Christian and don't celebrate Christmas or Easter that's fine and your democratic choice not to but to insist that no-one else can because it offends you, well EXCUSE ME! Please remember why you came here in the first place. We have no desire to be dragged down to the level of a third world nation, thanks all the same. Reply

mollie

Posted by: mollie
Posted: 18th Dec 2010

mollie says: I understand your frustration mustang. I am sick of people coming to live here then wanting to change everything. Nobody should totally abandon their own culture, traditions etc. but for goodness sake let us keep ours. If it was up to me I would send them all packing. Muslims complain about everything here but they keep coming and bringing all their relatives as well!!! And before anyone calls me a racist, I am not- I am just sick of their racism towards us, they are the only group of migrants who demand we change our ways for them. If you don't like our way of life, easy solution PISS OFF. Reply

ming

Posted by: ming
Posted: 18th Dec 2010

ming says: Unfortunately we have governments that love to bow to all the minority groups that come to OUR beautiful country. We are very fast loosing our own identity as AUSSIES, because of this. I you went to these other countries, you HAVE to go by there rules and customs, or else get out. These travellers from other countries do NOT have the right to push there customs on to us and our children. If they do not like what we do then go back to where they come from and good hope they have a good life back there. Reply

dianej

Posted by: dianej
Posted: 18th Dec 2010

dianej says: Hi there Mustang17
It is really up to the Child Centre management to make the decision as to whether or not to celebrate Christmas. I agree with you that Christmas is an important time of the year for us in Australia and New Zealand. Woah betide us if we don't recognise the customs of the immigrants in our societies. We don't want to be like America or England where they aren't allowed to practice some of their custons in schools or Child Centres. Keep up the protests. Reply

Anonymous

Posted by: Anonymous
Posted: 18th Dec 2010

says: You are right - I see it on the news all the time - some school or other not celebrating Christmas - where have our traditions gone?!!!If you were to go overseas to the Netherlands you would still be celebrating the arrival of St Nick on Dec 6th arriving on a boat from Spain - he would have the Black Peters with him and the WHOLE country celebrates this TRADITION - no one gets all racist about it - no one gets all "WE don't believe in this" about it - they just CELEBRATE it as it has been a tradition in this country forever - there are other countries with similar traditions who still celebrate them - and if you don't like it then you don't go - you stay at home with your own beliefs and you don't join in - SIMPLE!!! I live in a small country town where the annual school concert has Christmas carols and Santa - over the yers we have had two families who don't believe in Christmas - it's fine - they attend the concert and when the carols start they go home - no one says anything - no one condems - we accept that that's what they believe - why can't the other nationalities with thier different religions do they same - why do we have to change things for the minorities - they come here - they have to accept that these are our traditions - accept them - you don't have to take part - but you don't try to change us either. Having said that it's not always these people who are the problem - it's the 'do gooders ' of this world who don't want to offend - understand this people THIS IS AUSTRALIA!!! clogwog Reply

jb

Posted by: jb
Posted: 18th Dec 2010

jb says: We cannot cater for the minority. Whilst everyone within Australia is entitled to their own beliefs we are nevertheless a Christian country. Therefore Xmas can be celebrated by the majority, anyone who does not share those beliefs should have the right to withdraw from those celebrations but we must not cater for the minority. Whether they were born here or not non-christisans must grin and bare the fact that Xmas is celebrated. Reply

david

Posted by: david
Posted: 18th Dec 2010

david says: taking away the joys of christmas for kids is unpatriotic.parents get upset because they cannot see the joy on kids faces when christmas comes.no carols no santa no away in the manger .forget about jesus he cannot live without christmas.most of all forget about illegals,these are the people who are causing this to happen.halt illegals NOW Reply

woolysmissus

Posted by: woolysmissus
Posted: 18th Dec 2010

woolysmissus says: The policy used to be multi-culturalism and inclusion, celebrating all the differences and celebrations of each nationality. Why now is it exclusivity where you can't celebrate anything?? I would think this builds resentment, not understanding and inclusiveness. I think the Government should regulate that any and all celebrations/holidays can be shared if anyone from that ethnicity is a participant in that particular school or place of business. This is getting ridiculous. Reply

keith

Posted by: keith
Posted: 18th Dec 2010

keith says: Australia is a secular state. The constitution provides that there should be no established religion. If the childcare centre was located in an area where most pupils were nominally christian it would be appropriate to celebrate such events but it is less self-evident where many of the pupils come from families following a different religious heritage. Schools and childcare centres have to roll with the times and Australia has been committed to diversity and immigration from places other than the UK and Europe for over 60 years now. Reply

Libby

Posted by: Libby
Posted: 18th Dec 2010

Libby says: Christian beliefs were introduced to Australia when it was colonised.... it was not the original belief system of the original inhabitants of the land.

How would you feel going to India for example and being told you are not allowed to celebrate your religious beliefs openly in public for fear of being physically harmed..... yet that is what happens every day in Australia and New Zealand.

I do not believe christian beliefs (which include easter and christmas) need to be taught in public schools if there is not a fair balance of inclusion of other religions. If parents care so much about easter and christmas and want it taught to their children send them to private religious schoolsor church pre-schools where it is a standard part of the curriculum.

It is all very well to say immigrants should partisipate in our culture, but there is a very big difference between partisipation and ramming in down their throat. Pay attention to the world around you.... is there anything not affected or decorated for Christmas?? Shops close on christmas day.... it's in every ad break on telly..... are people not partisipating enough??

yes I agree that immigrants should not segregate themselves from the community as a whole but understand why they do when their religious beliefs and customs are not tolorated yet they get bombarded with christian beliefs at every turn.

From reading the posts on here it seems to be the thing people seem to be most annoyed about is the lack of santa and pressents etc. That is not the meaning of christmas..... that is the commerial money making christmas

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gramerbel

Posted by: gramerbel
Posted: 18th Dec 2010

gramerbel says: We live in Australia not any other country. Our heritage and culture should be observed. If we lived overseas especially in some countries we would have to abide by their laws/traditions/religious beliefs etc. If people don't believe in what we do they should not attend schools/ Child-care centres etc on the days that Australians and those who follow the Australian way of life celebrate the particular religious days. Reply

Chris

Posted by: Chris
Posted: 18th Dec 2010

Chris says: I work in a childcare centre and we still decorate the centre for Christmas and have a Christmas party. We see no problem with doing this as a majority of the children come from christian backgrounds and we do not bring any religion into it with the children. Has religion is for the parents to teach they children if they want, not a child care centres responsibility (nor do we want to). We treat it as any other holiday and if there are any holidays that other traditions or cultures want us to celebrate we are willing to do with the parents help as long as no religion is bought into it. We would do this as it is good for children to learn about other cultures and we want the children in our centre the grow up with an open mind. Reply

Jess25

Posted by: Jess25
Posted: 18th Dec 2010

Jess25 says: Merry Christmas Reply

sha

Posted by: sha
Posted: 18th Dec 2010

sha says: i believe that Australia has always celebrated Christmas and I see no reason to stop this way of life.If a family comes to Australia for a new life then they should respect our way of life. We are not asking them to break any laws and if we went to another Country we would expect to respect their way of life. Privately we would celebrate our beliefs as we would expect and condone visitors to our Country to do. Political correctness gone mad. Reply

Kazza

Posted by: Kazza
Posted: 18th Dec 2010

Kazza says: I moved to NZ from the UK 5 years ago and was quite upset to be asked if it was o.k. for my son to be involved in a nativity play. I'm not a religious person but my whole life the nativity play was a Christmas tradition. It just reflects how NZ seems to reject anything religious - Christian or otherwise - which I think is a crying shame. People living in a 'Christian' society should be able to accept that Christmas is about celebrating Christ's birth whether they believe or not. And to be honest, I think the majority of the population are o.k. with this. I accepted the Muslim traditions and beliefs when I lived in Afghanistan (and celebrated their holy days with my friends there). But saying that, if Christmas is just about children demanding the latest toys and games (more me, me, me) and it's not seen as a time of 'good will to all men' then I would rather not celebrate it at all. Reply

Jan

Posted by: Jan
Posted: 19th Dec 2010

Jan says: Where your daughter-in-law works the owners and who runs the Child Care should be shot. Young children should be taught to use their imagination and dream of a world where everything is good eg fairy tales. Children are children for a every small part of their lives they are adults for the majority. Christmas if about the birth of Christ. Christmas Carols, celebrating with family and friends and Santa
This is not just here in Australia but around the world during World War 1 they stopped fighting to celebrate Christmas. Its a time of Peace and Good Will to everyone. Reply

Jan

Posted by: Jan
Posted: 19th Dec 2010

Jan says: Where your daughter-in-law works the owners and who runs the Child Care should be shot. Young children should be taught to use their imagination and dream of a world where everything is good eg fairy tales. Children are children for a every small part of their lives they are adults for the majority. Christmas if about the birth of Christ. Christmas Carols, celebrating with family and friends and Santa
This is not just here in Australia but around the world during World War 1 they stopped fighting to celebrate Christmas. Its a time of Peace and Good Will to everyone. Reply

ollietom1944

Posted by: ollietom1944
Posted: 19th Dec 2010

ollietom1944 says: Hi Folks,
I totally agree. Everything is being eroded. All the things we grew up with as kids and teach our kids and Grandkids has to change to fit into society now. But it all comes down to the stupidity of 'Political Correctness' also, these days. Like 'Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep'! 'Fairy Penguins' have now to be called 'Little Penguins'! The list is so long, and yet we allow it to continue growing. I don't know where it will end, but it's starting to get suffocating! Reply

Multismudge

Posted by: Multismudge
Posted: 19th Dec 2010

Multismudge says: I have been reading ALL the posts on this discussion and I am seriously disappointed with the way we all feeling. I am not condemning any of what we feel, but am very saddened that we are feeling that Australia is losing its' identity in our culture.
Yes, I know that the original inhabitants of this massive, great, beautiful country were not Christian, BUT they also did not force their opinions on us. Again, immigrants come here for many different reasons and if Australia was not such a great tolerant people they would not come. Surely they know enough about our country to know we are a Christian society, that's why they are "adopted" by us.
I actually have family that have converted to Muslim faith (my cousin married into) and they still participate and observe our Christian Holy days, the whole family brothers, sisters, Uncle, Aunts, Grandies, Cousins, friends went to their daughters Muslim wedding, (was a little different, intersting) did you know that even Muslim faith believe in Jesus (prophet) and Mary (virgin mother)?! I have friends that are Muslim from Eygypt and they have also participated with Christmas and Easter. According to both of these particular groups in my life everybody is taught to be "tolerant and accept every-one's right to their beliefs".
I am increasingly surprised about any faith that they would not be teaching that premise, they ALL have some belief in God, Jesus and Mary, even the Jewish faith in many ways similar to Muslim.
It is only the extremists that #### it for every-one.
"Political correctness" as we have been more and more aware of is like Womens' Lib, GONE TO FAR and forgotten what it was really about.
We as nation of Australians are punished by the government and goody-two-shoes that really have not done enough homework to be in position to "dictate" what we should do.
Vilification of rights goes both ways!
Now! Have finshed my soap box.
Please, all and sundry whatever faith you are, whatever political lean you are, whatever the colour of your skin, WHATEVER TRADITIONS YOU HAVE (WITHOUT VIOLENCE) HAVE A BRILLIANT CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR, and stay safe on the roads. Peace to all persons, (see is really "peace to all men") Reply

VivK

Posted by: VivK
Posted: 19th Dec 2010

VivK says: The trouble with all this is that most of our Christmas celebrations do not offend anyone - if you were to ask a Muslim or any other person who does not celebrate Christmas - "are you offended by our traditions?" - almost all answer that it does not bother them and they are happy for us to have our traditions. There are only a small minority and mainly atheists - not other religions, who dont like this celebration - but Im sure they like having a holiday though!
I am happy for everyone to do what they want to do for Christmas but dont ruin it just because a few people are offended. What happened to majority rules? Surely the majority are in favour of the Christmas traditions. I never pushed the Santa thing on my kids as I felt it detracted from the true meaning of Christmas but I wouldnt go around telling little kids "there is no such thing as Santa".
How about the motto "Live and let live"
Happy Christmas everyone! Reply

NancyfromAus

Posted by: NancyfromAus
Posted: 19th Dec 2010

NancyfromAus says: Dear Mustang,
I believe this is more than a tradition. It should be celebrated as it would be normally. Allow the other children to be in another area. I have worked in schools with the Christian Education program and that is how they get around this problem. I think it is giving in to other ethnic groups which shouldn't be allowed to happen. Australia is classed as a Christian nation. Reply

max

Posted by: max
Posted: 20th Dec 2010

max says: We Live in a country which in large has excepted Jesus as their Lord
ie in birth through christing death through furnals and things in between
Other country you have to obey their culture or else
If Australia had not been con cured by Britain our way of life would be different
and I Know this is the lucky country
except it, take over the government or move out But most of all stop winging at our culture Reply

frazzled_kitten

Posted by: frazzled_kitten
Posted: 26th Dec 2010

frazzled_kitten says: I am also fed-up with the "We can't do this and we can't do that because God, oh excuse me Allah forbid( LOL), we might offend some one of a different culture.
I also grew up making easter cards and gifts and christmas cards and gifts at school. We are becoming so political correct, or is that incorrect?, that we are losing sight of who we are as a nation, we are losing our traditions and our rights to express ourselves and our beliefs.
As for childcare centres, preschools and schools those who do not believe or like our traditional celebrations, can remove their children for those days and not participate.
So to finish, I will wish you all a very MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A WONDERFUL AND HAPPY NEW YEAR.
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Tracey

Posted by: Tracey
Posted: 31st Dec 2010

Tracey says: I think this is quite sad. I have noticed this has become a problem in the last 10 years and I belive the reason is because of all the different cultures and different religions that has come into this country. If people want to live in Australia then they should repect out belief and accepted who we are, as we do for them Reply

mermaid

Posted by: mermaid
Posted: 18th Aug 2011

mermaid says: Christmas is a religion act and speaks volumes of how religion rules and creates disharmony in so many cultures and lives so the answer is obvious. I do not practice any form of religion my view is to create your own life without the greed that every religion has, it starts with the coin in the plate and ends with ownership of a wealth of assets, fleets of cars, non profit charities who make billions annually, schools and real estate I rest my case.
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JBLAZE

Posted by: JBLAZE
Posted: 8th Dec 2011

JBLAZE says: Jblaze -Just as suggestion ask Santa claus to visit the Child Center and hand out toys to the kids.That will bring the spirit of Xmas back to the Center which the kids will enjoy and expect it every year. Merry Xmas to all . Reply

paof11

Posted by: paof11
Posted: 8th Dec 2011

paof11 says: I see last poster has picked up this topic again one year later! Same issues probably abound now. I am a Christian (RC), and so I clearly understand and celebrate the Advent and Christmastide seasons for the reason they exist in the first place. But I am not sure that our societies (either Australia or NZ where I am) are sufficiently Christian anymore for us to assume that the Christmas story is relevant to the majority of children attending a child centre, or indeed any non-Christian educational facility. I don't think a secular child centre or even a secular junior school is equipped to provide enough story around different beliefs and major celebrations across different religions, and if Christianity is not anymore the "default" belief system of a clear majority, then even though it is part of our shared heritage I don't see how we can argue that the Christmas story should be taught and celebrated at these institutions.

Personally I would rather not have a distorted picture of Christmas portrayed (Santa and northern hemisphere klitchy scenes complete with reindeer), and wouldn't trust secular educational institutions to tell the true story of Christmas appropriately.

From age 7 or 8 upwards it might be appropriate to talk about our Christian heritage as nations, but from an historical and anthropoligical point of view. It is the task and duty of Christians to re-evangelise our nations ..... the Christmas story can then be justifiably told to all and sundry when Christianity "rulz". Reply

Ralphy

Posted by: Ralphy
Posted: 8th Dec 2011

Ralphy says: I lived in Canada for 5 years and yes it is very similar in nature and culture to Australia, they also have the same problems form vocal minorities there.. for many years on an escarpment the city council would put up a huge merry christmas sign that lit up the night sky in all those glorious colors of christmas... well enter the vocal minority and the sign is no longer put up but a simple white banner that says happy holidays now sits there year after year.... i moved back to australia a few years back now and see that it is an infliction that is spreading rapidly... why is it we Aussies are called racists etc if we practice our freedom of speech and say that all other cultures that move here should respect our traditions but these vocal minorities are poor hard done by people who can burn flags, treat women like second class citizens, demand respect and use violence if they dont get it???? I say this to these vocal minorities, you chose to come to our great home, if you dont like it, leave it.. dont let the door hit you on the backside on the way out.. to the rest of those who have moved here from far and abroad and have embraced our culture or at the very least, respected our culture.. i say welcome mate and Merry Christmas.... Reply

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