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  • Mustang17
    Mustang17
    Posted on:
    27th Nov 2010 06:58am

    Last Post 8th Dec 2011
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    Where has christmas gone

    The Child Centre where my daughter-in-law works will not be celebrating Christmas with the children as there are families who attend who dont believe in it. Last time I checked this was Australia and I grew up going to school and making Christmas gifts and easter bonnets as a way of life.
    To me this is a tradition of the Australian way of life which we now have to change for a minority. It's not like we would go to their country of origin and demand that they celebrate our way of life.

  • 19chris51
    19chris51
    Posted on:
    27th Nov 2010 07:32pm

    19chris51 says: you are darn right mustang17, our Australian culture is being lost, why??? I wish I could tell you, you are right about the small minority, if we go to their country it is respectful for us to observe their customs, could you imagine what would happen if we did not, the Italians,greeks and chinese etc, come here and although they have their own culture, don`t interfere or try to change ours to suit themselves, why are these people getting away with this?????? my grandchildrens school won`t celebrate christmas because of this damn wrong, we are Australians, and if they come here, they should fit in, not try to change us it makes me vey angry,STAND UP FOR YOUR SELVES AUSTRALIANS I am not saying fight that is not a thing to do, but PLEASE..PLEASE...don~t loose our culture and traditions

  • blondie72
    blondie72
    Posted on:
    28th Nov 2010 10:46am

    blondie72 says: This bloody UN-AUSTRALIAN and infuriating!! I realise it very hard to secure a spot in a childcare centre these days but if you could I would BOYCOTT any childcare centre, school, shopping centre any place that shuns our Aussie culture and in doing so disrespects us and our future generations! I can see it now - we''ll all be wearing bloody burqas and praising Allah soon if we keep this up!!!

  • super88
    super88
    Posted on:
    9th Dec 2010 06:39pm

    super88 says: It's hard to beleive this could happen.
    Youre right - last time I looked this was still Australia.
    Maybe the Child Centre where your daughter-in-law works is just too lazy to put in the effort and is using this as an excuse to do nothing.
    It doesn't sound like the sort of place that an Australian would recommend or support.

  • Mustang17
    Mustang17
    Posted on:
    11th Dec 2010 06:01am

    Mustang17 says: The changes in Childcare centres and what they can say and do is happening a lot. The childcare centre that my grandaughter attends sings Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep. Not Black sheep. But they still have Christmas Decorations and a visit from Santa.
    But I feel that our Australian heritage and way of life is slowly being eradicated to cater for those few who choose to make Australia their home. I don't mind other cultures having their festivals and special days but they also have to respect that our country also has traditions too.

  • Ekkaboy
    Ekkaboy
    Posted on:
    17th Dec 2010 08:39pm

    Mustang17 says: The changes in Childcare centres and what they can say and do is happening a lot. The childcare centre that my grandaughter attends sings Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep. Not Black sheep. But they still have...

    Ekkaboy says: Hadn't heard Rainbow Sheep !! - but now they "catch a TIGGER by the toe", that's fair enough. My kids' school still does Chrissy cards, but there are certain kids who receive "happy holidays" cards instead. It's just a primary school, but the kids are learning of cultural diversity and assimilation - NOT that a vocal minority are different so everything has to stop for them. Assimilation is the key, not setting up their own little countries within our own great country (and it's established traditions).

  • jb
    jb
    Posted on:
    18th Dec 2010 08:59am

    Ekkaboy says: Hadn't heard Rainbow Sheep !! - but now they "catch a TIGGER by the toe", that's fair enough. My kids' school still does Chrissy cards, but there are certain kids who receive "happy holidays" cards...

    jb says: This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules.

  • Libby
    Libby
    Posted on:
    17th Dec 2010 08:28pm

    Libby says: Christmas may be the traditional norm but it is a Christian holiday and that part of Christmas is not being taught to kids anymore... all they know is Santa and scoring heaps of pressies. So I can understand why parents are not wanting to push that part of Christmas on their kids if they can't be taught the real meaning behind Christmas.
    It surprises me that for countries that claim to be multi-cultural both Australia and New Zealand make no effort to teach our children about any other religious customs that may occur at the same time so that they can be tolerant and inclusive towards other religions in the future instead of ignorant. (I guess that is how an Israli praying can be mistaken for a terroist on a NZ Cook Strait ferry crossing!!)
    While I understand your frustration imagine how hard it must be for those families that don't celebrate Christmas to have to explain it to there 2 or 3 year old when it gets screamed at them from every direction from about October.... and why all their friends are getting cool presents etc

  • Ekkaboy
    Ekkaboy
    Posted on:
    17th Dec 2010 08:46pm

    Libby says: Christmas may be the traditional norm but it is a Christian holiday and that part of Christmas is not being taught to kids anymore... all they know is Santa and scoring heaps of pressies. So I can...

    Ekkaboy says: Like I said Libby, assimilation. Why can't those kids get "breakup" pressies from their friends and "happy school holidays" cards??

    But I do agree that kids need more instruction on different religions to the majority Australian one, to advance cultural diversity; this includes of course more on aboriginal heritage, which although some small stuff is being done on dreamtime etc I'm concerned that all aboriginal languages are dying out while various Asian languages (mostly japanese and chinese) are taught in primary schools???

  • MTD
    MTD
    Posted on:
    17th Dec 2010 09:15pm

    MTD says: I think the "political/ethnic/religion correctness" has gone to far.
    All Christians and christian countries should be able to celebrate Christmas. As far as I am concerned, Australia is basically a Christian country (just look at all the many, many "Father Cristmas'es" ( some renamed Santa), at the shopping centres). We do not ask any other country/organization/religion to stop their celebrations because we do not follow their believes. If a Child care Centre in my area choose not to hold Christmas celebrations because some people object or get upset, I would campaign to close it down because they don't object to the benefits it gives them, such as triple time or holidays or public holidays or presents/bonuses . If you took that away, the noises made by them would drown out their own protests.

  • Multismudge
    Multismudge
    Posted on:
    17th Dec 2010 10:00pm

    Multismudge says: "When in Rome do as the Romans do", is that not the expression?
    I am cross about other "cultures" hijacking Christmas.
    Australia was founded on a Christian society and beliefs an when others decide to come here, they know that, SO... stands to reason that the consensus of the land stands for its ideals and cultures.
    If people do not want to participate in OUR CULTURE then they can stay inside, out of school, away from kinder and childcare.
    It is actually up to the Principal, Co-ordinator, etc. they can stand firm about their beliefs and majority in that particular school, kinder, etc might be the best way to go.
    Vilification of rights, we are Australian living in Australia!
    I am not racist but as an Australian I have to start saying other cultures are!
    LIVE and let live, goes both ways.

  • jb
    jb
    Posted on:
    18th Dec 2010 09:00am

    Multismudge says: "When in Rome do as the Romans do", is that not the expression?
    I am cross about other "cultures" hijacking Christmas.
    Australia was founded on a Christian society and beliefs an when...

    jb says: This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules.

  • elizabethau
    elizabethau
    Posted on:
    18th Dec 2010 09:11pm

    Multismudge says: "When in Rome do as the Romans do", is that not the expression?
    I am cross about other "cultures" hijacking Christmas.
    Australia was founded on a Christian society and beliefs an when...

    elizabethau says: I agree we live in a democratic country and accept all nationalities that want to live here and enjoy the freedom they are given but I feel now that they are going too far we have take away hal hal, butchers hal hal and in every shopping centre things have had to change as it may offend we have little people singing we wish you a happy holiday as they are not allowed to sing merry christmas what on earth are we sitting back and accepting this push for power,my way is stay and join in and accept the offers of this country if it is offensive dont live here

  • liz
    liz
    Posted on:
    20th Dec 2010 11:53am

    Multismudge says: "When in Rome do as the Romans do", is that not the expression?
    I am cross about other "cultures" hijacking Christmas.
    Australia was founded on a Christian society and beliefs an when...

    liz says: Yes I'm very cross too. This country was founded on Judeo-Christian ethics which is what makes it so wonderful and why everyone wants to come here. Sadly the real meaning of Christmas has been swallowed up by the commercialism, and the birth of Jesus Christ is a byline mostly these days. What do people think Christmas really means??? Why does it have the name 'Christ' in it??? It makes me sick and angry that Muslims especially can hijack our culture and we lie down and let them walk all over us. Wake up Australia!!! (and New Zealand) and have a look at what Islam has done to the UK and many other once safe and happy Christian countries. Tolerance is once thing, but capitulation is quite another. Lets all campaign for the return of proper Christmas celebrations, with carols sung, nativity plays, little kids dressed as angels and shepherds, and a visit to Santa as a tradition, even though we know its not the true meaning of Christmas. God bless us one and all.

  • Multismudge
    Multismudge
    Posted on:
    17th Dec 2010 10:04pm

    Multismudge says: add-on to my previous post
    These people who do their "protest" still argue about working on "our Christian public holidays" , if they are holding Christians to ransom on this issue then they are the ones that should be working those days.
    No, they get paid just like every-one else.
    The people who have other faiths, to my knowledge are taught to be tolerant of others, just like us, but they are not!

  • Cattledog
    Cattledog
    Posted on:
    17th Dec 2010 11:03pm

    Cattledog says: I have lived and worked in Afghanistan for the past 20 months. My staff understand we celebrate Xmas...many have given me gifts for my family as I head home. I acknowledge their Eid, they acknowledge our Xmas. We all acknowledge the one God, how we get to that endstate differs.

    I think it's wrong that the 'meaning' of Xmas isn't celebrated in ANY institution in Australia, regardless of who attends. There's plenty of christian children who will miss out on presents this Xmas so this aspect isn't important. You may find that it's those wanting to be 'politically correct' without the faintest idea of the thoughts of the non-christian attendees. I work in Australia with Muslims when I'm back home and there is no way they see Xmas as a problem whatsoever.

    Keep doing what we have always done and there will be little if any problem. Like sport, not everyone will support the team but at least let those who do enjoy it!

  • JCER
    JCER
    Posted on:
    18th Dec 2010 12:38am

    JCER says: Poltical and ciultural correctness has gone mad and is ruining this great country just like it has in England where I was born. I came here from a very early age and consider myself English born, Australian made. Anyone who chooses to come to another country MUST respect the culture, customs, language and laws of that land. Be very grateful that you have the freedom to practice your religion and culture here (probably one of many reasons why you left your country of origin) BUT how dare you try to dictate what we can and cannot do in our own damn country. This is where multiculturalism (as opposed to cosmopolitanism) has ruined this country and others. If you aren't Christian and don't celebrate Christmas or Easter that's fine and your democratic choice not to but to insist that no-one else can because it offends you, well EXCUSE ME! Please remember why you came here in the first place. We have no desire to be dragged down to the level of a third world nation, thanks all the same.

  • mollie
    mollie
    Posted on:
    18th Dec 2010 06:34am

    mollie says: I understand your frustration mustang. I am sick of people coming to live here then wanting to change everything. Nobody should totally abandon their own culture, traditions etc. but for goodness sake let us keep ours. If it was up to me I would send them all packing. Muslims complain about everything here but they keep coming and bringing all their relatives as well!!! And before anyone calls me a racist, I am not- I am just sick of their racism towards us, they are the only group of migrants who demand we change our ways for them. If you don't like our way of life, easy solution PISS OFF.

  • ming
    ming
    Posted on:
    18th Dec 2010 07:11am

    ming says: Unfortunately we have governments that love to bow to all the minority groups that come to OUR beautiful country. We are very fast loosing our own identity as AUSSIES, because of this. I you went to these other countries, you HAVE to go by there rules and customs, or else get out. These travellers from other countries do NOT have the right to push there customs on to us and our children. If they do not like what we do then go back to where they come from and good hope they have a good life back there.

  • dianej
    dianej
    Posted on:
    18th Dec 2010 07:40am

    dianej says: Hi there Mustang17
    It is really up to the Child Centre management to make the decision as to whether or not to celebrate Christmas. I agree with you that Christmas is an important time of the year for us in Australia and New Zealand. Woah betide us if we don't recognise the customs of the immigrants in our societies. We don't want to be like America or England where they aren't allowed to practice some of their custons in schools or Child Centres. Keep up the protests.

  • Anonymous

    Posted on:
    18th Dec 2010 08:53am

    says: You are right - I see it on the news all the time - some school or other not celebrating Christmas - where have our traditions gone?!!!If you were to go overseas to the Netherlands you would still be celebrating the arrival of St Nick on Dec 6th arriving on a boat from Spain - he would have the Black Peters with him and the WHOLE country celebrates this TRADITION - no one gets all racist about it - no one gets all "WE don't believe in this" about it - they just CELEBRATE it as it has been a tradition in this country forever - there are other countries with similar traditions who still celebrate them - and if you don't like it then you don't go - you stay at home with your own beliefs and you don't join in - SIMPLE!!! I live in a small country town where the annual school concert has Christmas carols and Santa - over the yers we have had two families who don't believe in Christmas - it's fine - they attend the concert and when the carols start they go home - no one says anything - no one condems - we accept that that's what they believe - why can't the other nationalities with thier different religions do they same - why do we have to change things for the minorities - they come here - they have to accept that these are our traditions - accept them - you don't have to take part - but you don't try to change us either. Having said that it's not always these people who are the problem - it's the 'do gooders ' of this world who don't want to offend - understand this people THIS IS AUSTRALIA!!! clogwog

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