Cafe Chat Discussion

  • frilly
    frilly
    Posted on:
    29th Jan 2010 02:28pm

    Last Post 26th Sep 2012
    Replies     49

    I give to several

    I give to a number of charities but I am seriously thinking about reducing the number.
    They seem to want more and more each year they say their costs are going up but so are mine and we are on fixed incomes. I am disabled and we are on a pension.
    This seems to have no affect when told to them perhaps I should jump on their list LOL. Certain charities help pay outstanding fines etc that people "find they are unable to pay" This is so wrong they should never be given money.
    Vouchers or coupons. We see so many TV reports showing how young people and perhaps not so young blatantly tell their stories about how they can live up in Byron Bay on the "Dole"
    How can they do this when we have to list every source of income we have and our pension goes up and down even weekly in tune with our assets. The fact that these assets we cannot cash in as the interest from them supply the remainder of our pension.
    We thought we had totally covered ourselves for our retirement until the market crashed.
    That was the biggest shock of all to find so much money had just disappeared. Now we have to keep Centrelink informed of every change in our financial situation. How do these others manage to get money so easily
    One more thing, I said I was disable, it means lots of Drs and hospital visits. We can almost guarantee that after a hospital visit we will receive a request for a Charity at that hospital. Charities are exempt from the "Blocking of unwanted calls"


  • Jonesy
    Jonesy
    Posted on:
    29th Jan 2010 05:45pm

    Jonesy says: I have noticed this also Frilly. I donate to several charities including hospitals and towards disabled people. They always seem to ask for more or to be trying to sell me raffle tickets to sell on their behalf. I don't mind helping them out but where do we draw the line.

  • halidom
    halidom
    Posted on:
    22nd Apr 2010 02:59pm

    Jonesy says: I have noticed this also Frilly. I donate to several charities including hospitals and towards disabled people. They always seem to ask for more or to be trying to sell me raffle tickets to sell on...

    halidom says: About 5/6 years ago, it was just before Xmas and I saw an ad saying $25. could buy a family a good Xmas dinner. So I phoned up and donated $75. A week later I got 8 phone calls and 5 letters from different charities, even one from England. I have no way of stopping them. 3 weeks ago I got 5 letters in one day. I blame the 1st charity because how would these other charities have gotten my name, address and phone number.

  • mermaid
    mermaid
    Posted on:
    5th Oct 2011 12:54pm

    halidom says: About 5/6 years ago, it was just before Xmas and I saw an ad saying $25. could buy a family a good Xmas dinner. So I phoned up and donated $75. A week later I got 8 phone calls and 5 letters from...

    mermaid says: There is a legal entity associated with every charity preventing misuse of your personal details it is called privacy. contact the charity you donated the $75 to advise them you did not give verbal or written permission for your details to be provided to any other organisation that it is in their best interest to communicate this with their affiliated organisations as soon as possible. do not accept you will put this in writing to them, advise them should you receive further communications, via email, post, phone of otherwise you will initiate legal proceedings against them with the ACMA, Consumer Affairs who will take this matter with a positive outcome in your favour. They will quickly reverse their assumption of error without questions.

  • sherri
    sherri
    Posted on:
    22nd Nov 2011 11:45am

    mermaid says: There is a legal entity associated with every charity preventing misuse of your personal details it is called privacy. contact the charity you donated the $75 to advise them you did not give...

    sherri says: Thankyou Mermaid - good advice. (I was thinking the same thing! - that the original charity had been careless with their information - maybe even unethical/illegal.) - at the very least I would no longer be supporting them.

    I WISH that these organisations whose stated intent is to do the right and good would be open to the fact that unless they are congruent and that their WHOLE organisation behaves ethically, and there is consistency between intent and practice that they are turning off supporters.

    I wrote a letter of complaint to a large agency recently regarding what I considered to be unethical practice (a 'survey' that was not a survey) - and I did not even get an acknowledgement of my letter. Not only will I not EVER support them, I will be telling others what they are like.

    What price goodwill? Is it worth that quick buck?

  • michele49
    michele49
    Posted on:
    17th Nov 2010 11:30am

    Jonesy says: I have noticed this also Frilly. I donate to several charities including hospitals and towards disabled people. They always seem to ask for more or to be trying to sell me raffle tickets to sell on...

    michele49 says: Yes.. I've found the same thing with 3 charities I give to ...I'm a bit over them sending out a raffle book for me to sell ...no obligation ..but you feel compelled to give something ..even though you've already given earlier in the year. We also give to World Vision as a set amount to sponsor a child ..I don't seem to get the pestering from them for extra!

  • halidom
    halidom
    Posted on:
    5th Oct 2011 01:29pm

    michele49 says: Yes.. I've found the same thing with 3 charities I give to ...I'm a bit over them sending out a raffle book for me to sell ...no obligation ..but you feel compelled to give something ..even though...

    halidom says: Hello michele49 I sponsored children through World Vision and got letters asking if I wanted to get them a Christmas gift or birthday gift. Plus I would have to pay them to get the gift to the child.One girl I sponsored in Chile for about 6 years and was told part of the money was used building schools and getting clean water. When I got a notice saying they had finished there and did I want to sponsor another child I said fine but could I have the address of the girl so I could keep in touch and see how she was doing. I got a message that they were nomadic so they could not give me an address. So why did they build the school? Another problem I"m having with charities is when they phone up asking for donations and wanting my credit card details. With all the scams going on that I read about how do I know the person phoning is really from a charity? So I have stopped giving my details over the phone.

  • sherri
    sherri
    Posted on:
    22nd Nov 2011 11:56am

    michele49 says: Yes.. I've found the same thing with 3 charities I give to ...I'm a bit over them sending out a raffle book for me to sell ...no obligation ..but you feel compelled to give something ..even though...

    sherri says: That 'guilt factor' is what they count on! - You feel bad if you don't respond....and so you, as a generous charitable person duly send in a donation.

    And I used to be the same. I now realise that there are more worthy causes than I would ever be able to support, and so I now won't support any organisation that engages in dubious practices no matter how much the cause tugs at my heart.

    In fact I think that if I DO respond I am only enouraging them to continue to send out raffle tickets or cards that I have not ordered and do not want. - and if enough people don't send a donation back, then they will soon figure out that it is costing them more money than they are making and will stop.

    In the same way, I have started telling cold callers that I will NO LONGER support their organisation in any way because they have rung me today. (on the rare occasions that I now answer the phone) If enough people do that, charities will soon work out that it is cheaper NOT to invade people's privacy with unwanted begging calls.

  • havalaugh
    havalaugh
    Posted on:
    10th Jun 2011 01:03am

    Jonesy says: I have noticed this also Frilly. I donate to several charities including hospitals and towards disabled people. They always seem to ask for more or to be trying to sell me raffle tickets to sell on...

    havalaugh says: Havalaugh says- If you find it hard to give Frilly & Jonesy. I fully understand but even a doller in the right direction per day could help a charity greatly. But giving to a lot only cripples your pocket & does not build up in a common cause. If you want to know more about a charity take the time one day to visit the main branch of the Salvation army or Smith Family. I was helped by them many years ago when I got out of an abusive marriage with my 2 little girls and couldn't work at the time as my eldest child was a extremly bad asthmatic which kept me on the welfare line for quite a few years. Without the salvo's 1 year my daughters wouldn't have known about Christmas & their many food hampers etc they helped me out with. And the Smith Family bought my daughter a resperater for her asthma which going back was a hell of a lot of money 22 years ago. And they didn't help out easily I had to show them receipts for the budget I lived on to show them I wasn't scamming them. So I always give to those 2 charities now, as I know they made a real difference in my life & I am sur others. I am also disabled through 2 spinal operations and find funds are low. The thing is when your looking from the outside it is easy to feel bombardered and unaware. Make the effort to become aware & you might see another side then pick your charities and stick to the ones you want to help. Then when the others ask you cant feel guilty not giving. Just boldly say "Sorry I can't help you as I have my set charities I look after". Perhaps someone else can help your charity!!

  • Valsie
    Valsie
    Posted on:
    30th Jan 2010 01:05pm

    Valsie says: Ask each charity which calls you to put you on THEIR do not call register............and you will find the number of calls will diminish.....

  • frilly
    frilly
    Posted on:
    23rd Aug 2010 08:36pm

    Valsie says: Ask each charity which calls you to put you on THEIR do not call register............and you will find the number of calls will diminish.....

    frilly says: I also understood we could be put on a "Do not call register" but I was informed by a very knowledgeable person that Charities are exempt from this role.
    I must admit I put us on that role aquite a few years ago and I am now inundated with calls for money.
    I am actually disabled and my husband is my Carer, recognised "Official" because a few years ago I needed 24 hr care. Well. I received a call from :meals on wheels" asking for us to be part of it as my husband is retired. Where and what right had they to that information?
    I said sorry I was disabled and my husband was 75 and my Carer. This means he literally does virtually everything to look after me and the house.
    She turned around and told me that he must have some free time somewhere and they had older people than him as helpers and put the phone down. I was left spluttering. I tried to find an address or phone number but couldn't to tell them of my experience.
    Look we give to about 5 Official charities and then there are the ones that you get the really heartbreaking story that comes several times a year. I cannot stop them by ignoring I have found, so I put a note in now, listing some of my worst illnesses and say this "whatever amount" I put in is the last. That does stop quite a few the ones that are obviously connected It does show them up as they stop together. We have enormous medical bills but we pay our medical insurance and manage. it is not easy but the phone ringing and tyhe leters every day.it is tiring

  • Ceci
    Ceci
    Posted on:
    20th Apr 2011 09:22am

    frilly says: I also understood we could be put on a "Do not call register" but I was informed by a very knowledgeable person that Charities are exempt from this role.
    I must admit I put us on that role...

    Ceci says: It happens to me too. I found out that the only way to stop this harassment is to stop giving them any money at all. When the problem grows and it deeply affects their pocket, only then, they will do something about it.

  • Ann
    Ann
    Posted on:
    15th Oct 2011 10:05pm

    Valsie says: Ask each charity which calls you to put you on THEIR do not call register............and you will find the number of calls will diminish.....

    Ann says: My mother became ill and moved into high level care accommodation. Most charities I contacted were fine about removing her details from their mailing list, but even after a personal call to one of them they sent money requests to her again after 4 weeks! So now I just put "Return to Sender" on their letters and send them back.

  • Deb
    Deb
    Posted on:
    31st Jan 2010 05:54pm

    Deb says: My 90 year old father is constantly bombarded with charities phoning him, asking for donations or to sell lottery tickets. He has trouble finding the money to feed himself and on several occasions explained this to the caller. Their response has been we will send the tickets and you can sell them to your family. Result he ends up buying the tickets. I have managed to intercepted some of these calls and asked them to remove him from their list, only to find out they have tried again the next day. I think it is criminal they can to do this.

  • frilly
    frilly
    Posted on:
    18th Feb 2010 10:15pm

    Deb says: My 90 year old father is constantly bombarded with charities phoning him, asking for donations or to sell lottery tickets. He has trouble finding the money to feed himself and on several occasions...

    frilly says: Deb I am almost 73, have multiple illnesses myself and disabled. My illnesses open me up to bombardments of calls because every time I have any investigations or stays in hospital, I am immediately put on their list so the calls come.
    I hate it when they call and say they are collecting for children with one of the problems I have. Even when I say that I have these problems etc and am on restricted money as my medical bills are so high.
    The reply comes back "We are arranging an outing for the Cinema. and it is a real treat for them and of course a parent or guardian has to go with them"
    How can you say "No" I have started offering them one third of what they ask and said to put me on their "No disturb list" I was informed that charities are exempt from that list?

  • matt
    matt
    Posted on:
    14th Apr 2010 04:00pm

    frilly says: Deb I am almost 73, have multiple illnesses myself and disabled. My illnesses open me up to bombardments of calls because every time I have any investigations or stays in hospital, I am...

    matt says: I'm sure they know who the older people are becasue they know we young ones will just say no, bugger off.... Can you imagine trying to guilt an 18 year old into giving up his money for nothing !!
    Also, once you've given once you are on THE LIST. Even admitting to supporting charities in an online survey got me lots of junk mail about charities and i haven't even heard on them before

  • sherri
    sherri
    Posted on:
    22nd Nov 2011 12:08pm

    frilly says: Deb I am almost 73, have multiple illnesses myself and disabled. My illnesses open me up to bombardments of calls because every time I have any investigations or stays in hospital, I am...

    sherri says: It seems to me that NONE of us are saying that we don't want to donate to charities, OR that we are anything less than compassionate OR that we would not be willing to help out to the extent to which we are able.

    BUT we don't like being bombarded or manipulated or guilted into doing so, and are seeking some sort of protection from this harrassment.

    Yes, there are various things that we can pro-actively do that will help a little, but with more and more organisations 'hopping on the bandwaggon' it is going to be an endless task - IF the organisation DOES keep a list of those not to call. (Most of them actually employ an outside organisation to do this so I have my doubts as to whether my request never to be rung again by them would work)

    But at the same time, if enough of us are persistent with the same message MAYBE we can start a people movement that will stop the harrassment and we can go back to supporting charities the 'old-fashioned' guilt free way!


  • Y
    Y
    Posted on:
    31st Jan 2010 09:36pm

    Y says: Hi,
    I experienced this. Normally i donated a certain amount less than 50 bugs to a charity. Namely charity, you would think they accept every dollar even a dollar yeah.

    One day the same charity called me and i was about to donate the same amount, but the person on the other side arrogantly said they do not accept donation below 50 dollars? The person said we would try again next year when you can afford above 50 dollars. Huh?

    Less than a year, i was called by another person of the same charity. I told them to take me off the list as i could not afford beyond $50 dollar. Even if i do, I would donate to 5 charities each $10 dollar. How's that....

    In philippines a dollar is a lot. I began to wonder to either not giving donation any longer, but for churches or the victims of natural disaster.



  • Lynsha
    Lynsha
    Posted on:
    18th Feb 2010 01:56pm

    Lynsha says: Having worked for one of the world's largest "Not for Profit" organizations as a field officer I would always explain to groups/volunteers that at least 20% at that time would be going to adminstration. I can say that the general /field staff were not extremely well paid, but the top brass definately were. My policy was to be honest with people because they deserved to be told exactly were their donations would be spent. Nowdays it is apparently cheaper to use call centres where the staff really have no idea how the money is to be spent only a very generalised view of what happens. I agree that most charities have had to become very businesslike in their operations to survive. There are so many of them, some with multiple offshoots e.g. Cancer groups all requiring staff to run and operate them. It would be more cost efficient if all these different offshoots were under one umbrella and the donations apportioned equally, I still get calls from centres for my old organization but they can't explain what will happen to my donation. There should be a government review of all charities to stop certain exploitations of the general public.

  • frilly
    frilly
    Posted on:
    18th Feb 2010 10:07pm

    Lynsha says: Having worked for one of the world's largest "Not for Profit" organizations as a field officer I would always explain to groups/volunteers that at least 20% at that time would be going to...

    frilly says: This has been my thoughts recently about breast cancer. There are now so many charities fighting to raise money, I just wonder how efficient it all is?
    Surely if there was one main charity there has to be less wastage in man power and money. The public would feel less irritated because we would have less calls. There wpulsso much more money available too

  • Rosem
    Rosem
    Posted on:
    17th Mar 2011 10:46am

    Lynsha says: Having worked for one of the world's largest "Not for Profit" organizations as a field officer I would always explain to groups/volunteers that at least 20% at that time would be going to...

    Rosem says: I agree about the umbrella organisations. There are so many diffrernt foundations etc asking for money for the same group , such as children with cancer. I would think that this is extrememly wasteful of resources.
    I also get annoyed by the latest gimmick which is to send you preprinted address labels or send 'gifts' which make you feel ob;liged to 'buy' them by donating. Once you have donated it then never seems to stop.

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