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  • Bauldie216
    Bauldie216
    Posted on:
    15th Jun 2009 11:47pm

    Last Post 22nd Nov 2011
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    Freemasonary

    Why is it when a online charity comes on. they mention just a few charities? I am a Freemason. I donate to it by the way of the Festive Board, and other means. Sometimes, there is a requirement for a item to be purchased. We all give from our pockets or such like.

  • frilly
    frilly
    Posted on:
    18th Feb 2010 10:20pm

    frilly says: I forget to count I have 7 grandchildren and have to sponsor them in many fund raising activities. The schools the sports they all involved in all need money. I have a very active grandson who I have to ration him to "How many times he does a physical task" he forgets to stop LOL.
    Then he has two siblings at the same school, I have to sponsor all three then

  • jgb
    jgb
    Posted on:
    13th Apr 2010 02:18pm

    jgb says: Unfortunately the freemasons are a cult unlike the Salvos, who do good work.

  • Bauldie216
    Bauldie216
    Posted on:
    15th Apr 2010 12:02pm

    jgb says: Unfortunately the freemasons are a cult unlike the Salvos, who do good work.

    Bauldie216 says: Job, you don't know what you are talking about. Freemasonary is NO cult.
    Then tell me why that kings and other nobles of England belong to to it?
    Why some Presidents of America belong to it?
    It is based on the Bible. One has to take the oath/s on the bible. I have been told in some lodges there are 7 Bibles of different faiths on the pedistal.
    Go away and get the TRUE facts before you make absoule stupid statements!

  • jgb
    jgb
    Posted on:
    15th Apr 2010 04:11pm

    Bauldie216 says: Job, you don't know what you are talking about. Freemasonary is NO cult.
    Then tell me why that kings and other nobles of England belong to to it?
    Why some Presidents of America belong to...

    jgb says: So easy to throw around straw men isnt it bauldie!
    A cult is defined as a system of belief, formal worship: a sect: an unorthodox or false religion : a great often excessive, admiration for a person or idea.
    Seems to describe freemasonry very well to most thinking people!

    You say that because American presidents are in it, then it must be good, circular thinking at its best. I guess because many actors become scientologists that must be good as well??!!

    Who is in it makes no difference, I know people who are in it and I also know a couple of people who went very high (30th degree) and left because the freemasonry beliefs contradicted Biblical scriptures.
    One more fact you need to know, there is only one Bible, muslims believe in the koran and other religions have their own books.

    Now, if you want to deceive yourself, then do so but dont spread lies about this being a Christian endeavor because it is not.

    If you really want to do the Christian thing, then just join a good Church they have programs that help others better than the freemasons.
    Unlike you I have added a few references for perusal to those who are open minded.
    http://www.bibleprobe.com/freemasonry.htm
    http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/
    Happy reading.

  • Bubbles
    Bubbles
    Posted on:
    30th Apr 2010 10:50am

    jgb says: So easy to throw around straw men isnt it bauldie!
    A cult is defined as a system of belief, formal worship: a sect: an unorthodox or false religion : a great often excessive, admiration for a...

    Bubbles says: jgb Thank you for speaking up and saying what a lot of us also believe. Yes your references are worth reading. However, in saying that, the Freemasons have set up and ran very well many retirement villages which must be noted. I give praise where praise is due but still believe they cannot call themselves Christians and yes, they are a sect or cult.

  • pegrag4
    pegrag4
    Posted on:
    30th Nov 2010 11:44am

    Bubbles says: jgb Thank you for speaking up and saying what a lot of us also believe. Yes your references are worth reading. However, in saying that, the Freemasons have set up and ran very well many...

    pegrag4 says: Happy to agree with you, Bubbles.

  • Alan
    Alan
    Posted on:
    8th May 2011 05:15pm

    Bubbles says: jgb Thank you for speaking up and saying what a lot of us also believe. Yes your references are worth reading. However, in saying that, the Freemasons have set up and ran very well many...

    Alan says: Freemasons are not a religion or cult although their ideals are based on 'Christian Moral Principles.'
    A Freemason must believe in " a supreme being" whoever he choses to call him, They believe all men are equals so do not differentiate on the basis of religious belief. A freemason is permitted to take his obligation of the book appropriate to his faith.

  • pegrag4
    pegrag4
    Posted on:
    30th Nov 2010 11:44am

    jgb says: So easy to throw around straw men isnt it bauldie!
    A cult is defined as a system of belief, formal worship: a sect: an unorthodox or false religion : a great often excessive, admiration for a...

    pegrag4 says: Excellent summary. Happy to agree!

  • alanscribe
    alanscribe
    Posted on:
    4th May 2010 11:40am

    Bauldie216 says: Job, you don't know what you are talking about. Freemasonary is NO cult.
    Then tell me why that kings and other nobles of England belong to to it?
    Why some Presidents of America belong to...

    alanscribe says: You seem very new, and enthusiatic in your somewhat naive views on Freemasonry.
    Write again when you have learned more and have less white on the apron.

    Regarding the christianity aspect, as christians (especially born agains) have no idea what their religion is about and how its modern version they espouse actually arose, its not worth while rattling on.

    But amusing to read your respective outrage. LOL.

  • POMIE
    POMIE
    Posted on:
    16th Jul 2010 10:38am

    jgb says: Unfortunately the freemasons are a cult unlike the Salvos, who do good work.

    POMIE says: Do you know just what the Freemason fraturnity does.I guess not.Our family are involved in a few areas of the Masons and we give a lot to charities but are not in the forefront.We also own and run aged homes,we give a lot to the floods in North Qld, Fires in Vic,and to many other to mention here.
    You just have to ask one of the members.

  • sherri
    sherri
    Posted on:
    22nd Nov 2011 03:01pm

    POMIE says: Do you know just what the Freemason fraturnity does.I guess not.Our family are involved in a few areas of the Masons and we give a lot to charities but are not in the forefront.We also own and run...

    sherri says: Yes, Freemasons do do many charitable good works. Was anyone questioning that? And many groups not just christians engage in charitable works, so the question as to whether or not Freemasons are Christian is a bit of a furfy in this context. (and it seems from a quick scan of these posts that even the freemasons cannot agree)

    But the original question was 'why is it when a online charity comes on they mention a few charities?'

    And I think that the answer to that one is obvious...because there are so MANY good and worthwhile charities out there that it is not possible to mention - much less support them all! (and groups such as the Quakers will never receive the kudos they deserve because one of their fundamental beleifs is about not receiving publicity) - and FYI most of my favourite charities have not received ANY mention on these boards yet either.

    But regardless of whether our fav charity is mentioned, we should all be doing our bit, because there is so much that we CAN do that makes a difference for someone.

  • pegrag4
    pegrag4
    Posted on:
    30th Nov 2010 11:42am

    jgb says: Unfortunately the freemasons are a cult unlike the Salvos, who do good work.

    pegrag4 says: I agree with jgb. I donate to the Salvos.

  • Barney
    Barney
    Posted on:
    20th Feb 2011 02:52pm

    jgb says: Unfortunately the freemasons are a cult unlike the Salvos, who do good work.

    Barney says: Get the facts before you make stupid statements.

  • Ricky
    Ricky
    Posted on:
    5th May 2010 06:18pm

    Ricky says: Jgb's definition of a cult defines Christianity far better than it does Freemasonary. Christianity is a cult. (As per Jgb's definition). The worst that can be said of Freemasonay is that is a 'club' within the Christian cult.
    In Freemasons favour they do not solicate for members door to door. In fact you have to be nominated. You are not thought less a person if you are not a Freemason. However, I cannot imagine, say an Atheist being a member of the Freemasons. Why? Because they are not Christian, nor do they believe in any God/s. In fact Freemasons have accepted, begrudgingly, members of other faiths (cults) as a show that as long as you believe in a God you can become a member.
    Ironically the only prerequisit to becoming a Freemason is that you already belong to a cult. ie. Worship or venerate a person, principle or thing.
    Clearly this is a case of, 'the pot calling the kettle black.'














  • jgb
    jgb
    Posted on:
    16th Jul 2010 06:27pm

    Ricky says: Jgb's definition of a cult defines Christianity far better than it does Freemasonary. Christianity is a cult. (As per Jgb's definition). The worst that can be said of Freemasonay is that is a...

    jgb says: Sorry to ruin your party ricky., but I get my examples from real life and the workmate who I based my post on, is definitely NO Christian and openly says so. His dad was a freemason as well.
    By the way, there is a big difference between believing in a god and being a Christian who believes in the living God.

  • vanillaslice
    vanillaslice
    Posted on:
    8th Jul 2010 01:54pm

    vanillaslice says: Perhaps we should go back to the original question. Why isn't Freemasonry mentioned as a charity to which people can donate online - I think thats the question! - ? Because Freemasons operate as a closed charity. They do good, but especially to their own.
    I suppose that as a member you are obliged to support its causes. I do not have that obligation. In fact, I am not obliged to support any charity, I just give freely, without expecting some good in return. I donate to those organisations which are accountable and help in areas where I think help should be given. I am on limited income, so I set a fixed amount for charitable aid. I also reserve a set amount for emergency/disaster aid. All other requests go into the bin, regardless of how admirable work they do.
    I don't think its helpful to discuss Freemasonry as such, because we'd have to do a lot of guessing about their beliefs, codes, and practices.

  • jgb
    jgb
    Posted on:
    16th Jul 2010 06:34pm

    vanillaslice says: Perhaps we should go back to the original question. Why isn't Freemasonry mentioned as a charity to which people can donate online - I think thats the question! - ? Because Freemasons operate as a...

    jgb says: I too give where I can without wanting accolades, so we agree there, but there is no guess work about the masons cultish practises. Anyone can buy books by ex cultists explaining their practices and I personally know current masons ( they dont say too much) and an ex who went to the 30th degree who has shown me the signs and handshakes etc.

  • none
    none
    Posted on:
    10th Jul 2010 11:35pm

    none says: Anyone that knows anything about freemasonry knows they donate a lot to charity and do a lot to help the underprivliged

  • jgb
    jgb
    Posted on:
    16th Jul 2010 06:39pm

    none says: Anyone that knows anything about freemasonry knows they donate a lot to charity and do a lot to help the underprivliged

    jgb says: The muslims also give to their charities as do the mormons, but they specifically help those associated with their particular beliefs.
    The thing that is markedly different is that genuine Christians will give to those that are not 'believers' as well, for example building schools and hospitals in muslim countries.
    Nobody is saying that masons do not give, just that they do not give like Christians do.

  • Lethal
    Lethal
    Posted on:
    4th Dec 2010 12:50pm

    Lethal says: The Salvos have integrity and truly help those who need it

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